WeightWatchers Diet

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Good stuff!  Congratulations. As you probably already know, this is a wonderful and supportive newsgroup. The people here are just so good.  Please visit often. Your weight loss will start off quite fast, and then after 3 or 4 weeks it will progress at a more reserved pace.  I lost 5 lbs. on the first day (mostly water I’m sure), and then 16 lbs. in the next 3 weeks.  In the last week I lost 3 lbs. If I continue to lose 2 lbs. a week, I will be very happy indeed.  I expect to make my goal by my birthday in late July. Again, we all wish you and your girlfriend the best and we want to hear more from you! Neil Donovan Salem, MA USA Started LC: 1/17/04 5"9" 225/201/160

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all. My gf and I started Atkins last Monday, and after a rough Tuesday  we felt great. We’ve been very careful so far, and like the diet. So far, I’m lost 9 pounds, she’s lost 8. We plan on staying on Induction for a while yet. It’s great! We both fit a little bit better in clothes, and people have already given us compliments. And sex is already improved too! Yesterday we went to Maine to buy some low-carb stuff (we live on the NB Canada-Maine border), and bought some Weight Watchers diet pop (0 carbs, Splenda), some of the new Jif, and a few other things. So far low-carb isn’t available in our area. We’re looking forward to losing another 5-9 pounds this next week. This group is proving to be helpful and encouraging! Guy Smiley and Amanda

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Low carb isn’t available in your area? There are no stores that sell meat, eggs, cheese, etc.? Now that’s what I call wilderness! — JC Eat less, exercise more. —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yesterday we went to Maine to buy some low-carb stuff (we live on the NB Canada-Maine border), and bought some Weight Watchers diet pop (0 carbs, Splenda), some of the new Jif, and a few other things. So far low-carb isn’t available in our area.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all. My gf and I started Atkins last Monday, and after a rough Tuesday  we felt great. We’ve been very careful so far, and like the diet. So far, I’m lost 9 pounds, she’s lost 8. We plan on staying on Induction for a while yet. It’s great! We both fit a little bit better in clothes, and people have already given us compliments. And sex is already improved too! Yesterday we went to Maine to buy some low-carb stuff (we live on the NB Canada-Maine border), and bought some Weight Watchers diet pop (0 carbs, Splenda), some of the new Jif, and a few other things. So far low-carb isn’t available in our area. We’re looking forward to losing another 5-9 pounds this next week. This group is proving to be helpful and encouraging! Guy Smiley and Amanda

Good going, Guy and Amanda. How is the WW soda? I have never seen it.

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Low carb isn’t available in your area? There are no stores that sell meat, eggs, cheese, etc.? Now that’s what I call wilderness!

Finding LC of the meat variety is as easy as picking up fresh roadkill. Of course, I meant other than meat.

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Guy Smiley and Amanda Good going, Guy and Amanda. How is the WW soda? I have never seen it.

Thanks! It’s no Coke/Pepsi, but it’s OK after drinking water for a week. We’ve tried the diet cola so far. Not as much carbonation, so to speak.

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What kind of roadkill? <Homer  mmmmmmmmmmm.. beaver  </Homer — JC Eat less, exercise more. —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Low carb isn’t available in your area? There are no stores that sell meat, eggs, cheese, etc.? Now that’s what I call wilderness! Finding LC of the meat variety is as easy as picking up fresh roadkill. Of course, I meant other than meat.

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Finding LC of the meat variety is as easy as picking up fresh roadkill. Of course, I meant other than meat.

Recipes!

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Guy Smiley and Amanda Good going, Guy and Amanda. How is the WW soda? I have never seen it. Thanks! It’s no Coke/Pepsi, but it’s OK after drinking water for a week. We’ve tried the diet cola so far. Not as much carbonation, so to speak.

I hope you got some of the black cherry and the raspberry gingerale. My sister isn’t particularly dieting, but she liked the raspberry gingerale so much when she had it at my house that she buys it despite the fact that it’s diet soda. — AF "Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team."               –artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball

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says… Hi all. My gf and I started Atkins last Monday, and after a rough Tuesday  we felt great. We’ve been very careful so far, and like the diet. So far, I’m lost 9 pounds, she’s lost 8. We plan on staying on Induction for a while yet.

Good stuff, Guy!  Sounds like you are doing it right! — Saffire 205/169/125  -  5′2.5" Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo:  http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi all. My gf and I started Atkins last Monday, and after a rough Tuesday  we felt great. We’ve been very careful so far, and like the diet. So far, I’m lost 9 pounds, she’s lost 8. We plan on staying on Induction for a while yet. It’s great! We both fit a little bit better in clothes, and people have already given us compliments. And sex is already improved too! Yesterday we went to Maine to buy some low-carb stuff (we live on the NB Canada-Maine border), and bought some Weight Watchers diet pop (0 carbs, Splenda), some of the new Jif, and a few other things. So far low-carb isn’t available in our area. We’re looking forward to losing another 5-9 pounds this next week. This group is proving to be helpful and encouraging! Guy Smiley and Amanda

Don’t be discouraged if you don’t lose 5-9 pounds in the next week. It is very typical to lose a lot initially and then slow down. Just keep at it and be patient without setting too high of expectations and you will be happy.

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Hi all. My gf and I started Atkins last Monday, and after a rough Tuesday  we felt great. We’ve been very careful so far, and like the diet. So far, I’m lost 9 pounds, she’s lost 8. We plan on staying on Induction for a while yet. It’s great! We both fit a little bit better in clothes, and people have already given us compliments. And sex is already improved too! Yesterday we went to Maine to buy some low-carb stuff (we live on the NB Canada-Maine border), and bought some Weight Watchers diet pop (0 carbs, Splenda), some of the new Jif, and a few other things. So far low-carb isn’t available in our area. We’re looking forward to losing another 5-9 pounds this next week. This group is proving to be helpful and encouraging! Guy Smiley and Amanda

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Wayne Jones wrote: > I have now lost another 10 lbs and am down to 166lbs. My ideal weight > according to the charts should be about 155 for my 5 foot 9 inch medium > frame.

AIUI, weight is only one of a number of factors that cause/predispose sleep apenea. If you are predisposed, age also influences. …snip….. > He said that it is typical that the last few lbs we lose while getting close > to the ideal weight has the most effect on the apnea symptoms.

sounds bullshit to me, but then I’ve studied statitstice and am thinking % change is usually proportional to % effect. > I bought this nice big Honda Goldwing last Fall and this summer I plan to > travel and camp for a month from east to west coast and all down the rockies > to Utah and canyon country and back via the Blue Ridge Parkway in the > Applachians. (a crazy 63 year old man’s dream vacation) I was desperate to > rid myself of the cpap so I could camp along the way without carting along > CPAP and batteries etc.

How much power can your gullwing generate each day? How much power does your xpap comsume? If you think it bad, I bicycle and thats about 70kg of batteries I need for less than a weeks camping. Personally, since you’ve taken the weight of you, you could put it back (on the mototcycle) in the form of a couple of deep discharge batteries with say 1 night in 4/5/6/? at a powered campsite to recharge them. http://www.woa.com.au/terryc/remote-power/remote-power.html might help with the calcs.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Wayne Jones wrote: > Hi Folks > I am going to be posting my experiences with a dental device because there > is little on the NS about it and most of you are checking out this NS for > information and every little bit helps. > I was diagnosed with sleep apnea 3 years ago although I know I had the > problem 10 years earlier but didn’t realize the seriousness of the problem. > At the time of the sleep test, my weight was 180lbs and I had my usual a > large glass of wine for dinner the day of the test. (I usually had 2). The > results of the test were 26 apnea events/hour and many PVC’s. > I got a CPAP with initial pressure setting of 10. > My weight subsequently rose to 225lbs and CPAP pressure of 14 at which time > I had lots of trouble with mask leaks and air blowing out my mouth and > swallowing air. I had many PVCs and definitely wasn’t getting the benefit of > the CPAP. I decided to do something about my health. > I have lost 60 lbs since April by > a) abstaining from alcohol because of the calories, it increased my > appetite, and made me want to crash in front of the TV every night where I > would constantly snack. > b) vigorous walks twice a day for about 30-45 mins each > c) following the weight watchers diet plan > When my weight was back down to 180 I still could not sleep without the > cpap. If I woke rested at 7am and took the cpap off and fell back to sleep, > I would awake an hour or more later and feel terrible and had many PVCs. > I got the loan of an autoset CPAP for a few nights when my weight was 176 > and it was determined from the stats that my pressure should be  10 1/2.  It > was a bit discouraging to think that I had lost 50 lbs and I still had apnea > but not surprising. > I have now lost another 10 lbs and am down to 166lbs. My ideal weight > according to the charts should be about 155 for my 5 foot 9 inch medium > frame. > I have found that now if I take the mask off in the middle of the night I > awake in the morning feeling about as rested as I would be if I had used the > cpap and the PVCs seem to be pretty much gone. I have far fewer problems > with mask leaks > The sleep clinic in Toronto recommended a dentist (Dr Edmison) who > specializes in dental appliances for sleep apnea. He plans to equip me with > a ‘Klearway’. It’s going to cost me $1200 CAD and most insurance companies > (including mine) won’t cover the expense. > If it works it will be worth every penny. > My family doctor recommended Klearway as a device that several of his > patients have used successfully. > Dr Edmison has a very informative website worth checking > www.sleepdentist.ca > He said that it is typical that the last few lbs we lose while getting close > to the ideal weight has the most effect on the apnea symptoms. > I bought this nice big Honda Goldwing last Fall and this summer I plan to > travel and camp for a month from east to west coast and all down the rockies > to Utah and canyon country and back via the Blue Ridge Parkway in the > Applachians. (a crazy 63 year old man’s dream vacation) I was desperate to > rid myself of the cpap so I could camp along the way without carting along > CPAP and batteries etc. > I will have the initial fitting of the device next  Monday and have a sleep > test in late January. > I will keep you informed about how the dental device feels and how > successful it is. > — > Wayne Jones > Blue 2000 Goldwing > Only Bikers understand why dogs love to > stick their heads out car windows.

In case you are talking about a mandibular advancement device (MAD) and didn’t take a look on the web, here is what I found.  I rejected it because of what it says below. insurance won’t pay for it, and email dialog with someone who had tried two different MADs, and gave them up. Mandibular Advancing Devices (MAD) These devices fit over both the upper and lower teeth and move the lower jaw forward, which brings the tongue and some throat tissues along with it, opening the airway. They also stimulate the pharyngeal muscles to maintain an open airway during REM sleep

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Thank you so much for posting the link.  I loaded it and I LOVE IT!  It’s perfect. Thanks Again! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe this will help.   darnit, now they’re gonna know I’ve been lurking again after my disappearance  :)  Oh well, wanted to try and help. http://www.freewarepalm.com/medical/wwcalc-calculatorandjournal.shtml Some time ago, there were programs available to do journaling and do points calculations on a palm pilot. Now that I have a palm, I would like to get these programs. Unfortunately, it seems like these programs are non-existent on the web. Does anyone know if this can be found anywhere?

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It probably should only be shared privately since WW will probably try to get it removed.  I will note that the software referred to in this message seems to be gone: "   I have recently began the Weight Watchers Diet and I was wondering if there were any programs out there that would run on my computer?  I have found 1 at www.drgmedia.com and it looks pretty good, but I was wondering if anyone has used this program yet?  If so, could you please let me know how well it works and is it worth the money?" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thank you so much for posting the link.  I loaded it and I LOVE IT!  It’s perfect. Thanks Again! Maybe this will help.   darnit, now they’re gonna know I’ve been lurking again after my disappearance  :)  Oh well, wanted to try and help. http://www.freewarepalm.com/medical/wwcalc-calculatorandjournal.shtml Some time ago, there were programs available to do journaling and do points calculations on a palm pilot. Now that I have a palm, I would like to get these programs. Unfortunately, it seems like these programs are non-existent on the web. Does anyone know if this can be found anywhere?

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Hello, I have found this program and the food database but am looking for the Restaurants database.  Any ideas? Andrew – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some time ago, there were programs available to do journaling and do points calculations on a palm pilot. Now that I have a palm, I would like to get these programs. Unfortunately, it seems like these programs are non-existent on the web. Does anyone know if this can be found anywhere?

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Check here, Andrew: http://dwlz.com/palmpilot.html Please take a look at our official welcome notice at: http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html — Joy 285/245/150 Started WW At Home 1/1/02 at 285 Joined WW At Work 9/24/02 at 264.4 *New 10% Target: 26 (238.4)*

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I have found this program and the food database but am looking for the Restaurants database.  Any ideas? Andrew Some time ago, there were programs available to do journaling and do points calculations on a palm pilot. Now that I have a palm, I would like to get these programs. Unfortunately, it seems like these programs are non-existent on the web. Does anyone know if this can be found anywhere?

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Welcome, Lee

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I have found this program and the food database but am looking for the Restaurants database.  Any ideas? Andrew Some time ago, there were programs available to do journaling and do points calculations on a palm pilot. Now that I have a palm, I would like to get these programs. Unfortunately, it seems like these programs are non-existent on the web. Does anyone know if this can be found anywhere?

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Hi everyone, I tried to download the calculator but I keep getting error messages on the URL. Does anyone have the downloadable file and if so, can you e-mail it to can help her this way. Thanks, Ed — Ed (a.k.a. Platypus) http://members.cox.net/platypus/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe this will help.   darnit, now they’re gonna know I’ve been lurking again after my disappearance  :)  Oh well, wanted to try and help. http://www.freewarepalm.com/medical/wwcalc-calculatorandjournal.shtml Some time ago, there were programs available to do journaling and do points calculations on a palm pilot. Now that I have a palm, I would like to get these programs. Unfortunately, it seems like these programs are non-existent on the web. Does anyone know if this can be found anywhere?

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Did anyone send e-mail to this person?  Just curious. — CherylDCTX Texas USA Rejoined – January 2002 Originally joined – January 1999 Mini-goal #1: 5 pounds 302.8/267.8/189.0

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone, I tried to download the calculator but I keep getting error messages on the URL. Does anyone have the downloadable file and if so, can you e-mail it to can help her this way. Thanks, Ed — Ed (a.k.a. Platypus) http://members.cox.net/platypus/ Maybe this will help.   darnit, now they’re gonna know I’ve been lurking again after my disappearance  :)  Oh well, wanted to try and help. http://www.freewarepalm.com/medical/wwcalc-calculatorandjournal.shtml

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some time ago, there were programs available to do journaling and do points calculations on a palm pilot. Now that I have a palm, I would like to get these programs. Unfortunately, it seems like these programs are non-existent on the web. Does anyone know if this can be found anywhere?

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Glad you got it to work Alicia! Joyce – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have Windows 98, but I just had a friend help me clean things up a bit and we removed some unwanted programs.  Maybe he removed my Zip program by mistake.  I downloaded a free version and was able to import the program to my Palm.  I am so psyched!  It works great.  I am a total gadget geek so this is right up my alley! Thanks again, Alicia — Alicia 311.8/247.8/200 Total Loss: 64 Joined WW 4/11/02 Alicia, what version of windows are you running on your computer?  Almost all later versions have a built in program for extracting files from zip files.  Go into windows explorer and find the program you downloaded (or if it’s on your desktop you can do the same from there … I think).  Right click on the zip file, this will bring up a pop up menu type box.  Read down a few options and there should be one that says something like *extract all* – highlight and click on that.  This will extract all the files within the zipped file for you. If given the option as to where to unzip the files to, find the path to your palm/addons folder and extract directly into that folder – as this is where the hotsync operation will look automatically to add new programs.  I have no idea how your computer set this up, but mine is c:/palm/add-on.  If you extract straight to the desktop, be prepared to have several new icon (folders) added to the heap already there.  (just another of my quirks, I hate my desktop all cluttered up – lol). It really isn’t hard, once you get the hang of it. Joyce Thanks for the info.  I just have to get the file unzipped.  I figured out how to add it to my next sync with the Palm, but I don’t think I have the software needed to unzip it.  I’ll have to investigate.  It looks like a great program if I can just get it going!! Thanks again, Alicia — Alicia 311.8/247.8/200 Total Loss: 64 Joined WW 4/11/02 Have you ever worked with ZIP files?  The Palm program is ‘packaged’ in the file you downloaded   xxxxx.zip.  You need to open the ZIP file and copy the wwwcalc.prc file to the Palm ad-on directory or drag it to the installer.  A zip file is a way of packing associated separate files into one convenient package.  Inside this zip are the word format document file, another version of the doc as an html and its associated gif images You will also want the 2002 Foods database and install that, too.  You do NOT need this file, but if you use the find function, it will open and you can find food point values. OK, I downloaded this to my computer.  Now how do I get it to my Palm?  I tried just syncing but it didn’t get installed on the Palm. Thanks for your help! Alicia Maybe this will help.   darnit, now they’re gonna know I’ve been lurking again after my disappearance  :)  Oh well, wanted to try and help. http://www.freewarepalm.com/medical/wwcalc-calculatorandjournal.shtml Some time ago, there were programs available to do journaling and do points calculations on a palm pilot. Now that I have a palm, I would like to get these programs. Unfortunately, it seems like these programs are non-existent on the web. Does anyone know if this can be found anywhere?

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I’ve been journalling on my Palm for the last three months or so.  I can honestly say that without it, I would not be still journalling – it’s way to hard to find that damn bit of paper, add everything up, and try to not make it look like you’re writing down what you eat!  It’s easy to make a Palm look nice and professional when you’re being incognito  I think it also appeals to the gadget geek in me – if you’re one too you’ll love it! — Julie. 93.5/82.3/72 kg 205.7/181.0/154 lb

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have Windows 98, but I just had a friend help me clean things up a bit and we removed some unwanted programs.  Maybe he removed my Zip program by mistake.  I downloaded a free version and was able to import the program to my Palm.  I am so psyched!  It works great.  I am a total gadget geek so this is right up my alley! Thanks again, Alicia — Alicia 311.8/247.8/200 Total Loss: 64 Joined WW 4/11/02

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Alicia, what version of windows are you running on your computer? Almost all later versions have a built in program for extracting files from zip files.  Go into windows explorer and find the program you downloaded (or if it’s on your desktop you can do the same from there … I think).  Right click on the zip file, this will bring up a pop up menu type box.  Read down a few options and there should be one that says something like *extract all* – highlight and click on that.  This will extract all the files within the zipped file for you. If given the option as to where to unzip the files to, find the path to your palm/addons folder and extract directly into that folder – as this is where the hotsync operation will look automatically to add new programs.  I have no idea how your computer set this up, but mine is c:/palm/add-on.  If you extract straight to the desktop, be prepared to have several new icon (folders) added to the heap already there.  (just another of my quirks, I hate my desktop all cluttered up – lol). It really isn’t hard, once you get the hang of it. Joyce Thanks for the info.  I just have to get the file unzipped.  I figured out how to add it to my next sync with the Palm, but I don’t think I have the software needed to unzip it.  I’ll have to investigate.  It looks like a great program if I can just get it going!! Thanks again, Alicia — Alicia 311.8/247.8/200 Total Loss: 64 Joined WW 4/11/02 Have you ever worked with ZIP files?  The Palm program is ‘packaged’ in the file you downloaded   xxxxx.zip.  You need to open the ZIP file and copy the wwwcalc.prc file to the Palm ad-on directory or drag it to the installer.  A zip file is a way of packing associated separate files into one convenient package.  Inside this zip are the word format document file, another version of the doc as an html and its associated gif images You will also want the 2002 Foods database and install that, too. You do NOT need this file, but if you use the find function, it will open and you can find food point values. OK, I downloaded this to my computer.  Now how do I get it to my Palm?  I tried just syncing but it didn’t get installed on the Palm. Thanks for your help! Alicia Maybe this will help.   darnit, now they’re gonna know I’ve been lurking again after my disappearance  :)  Oh well, wanted to try and help. http://www.freewarepalm.com/medical/wwcalc-calculatorandjournal.shtml Some time ago, there were programs available to do journaling and do points calculations on a palm pilot. Now that I have a palm, I would like to get these programs. Unfortunately, it seems like these programs are non-existent on the web. Does anyone know if this can be found anywhere?

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I have Windows 98, but I just had a friend help me clean things up a bit and we removed some unwanted programs.  Maybe he removed my Zip program by mistake.  I downloaded a free version and was able to import the program to my Palm.  I am so psyched!  It works great.  I am a total gadget geek so this is right up my alley! Thanks again, Alicia — Alicia 311.8/247.8/200 Total Loss: 64 Joined WW 4/11/02 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Alicia, what version of windows are you running on your computer?  Almost all later versions have a built in program for extracting files from zip files.  Go into windows explorer and find the program you downloaded (or if it’s on your desktop you can do the same from there … I think).  Right click on the zip file, this will bring up a pop up menu type box.  Read down a few options and there should be one that says something like *extract all* – highlight and click on that.  This will extract all the files within the zipped file for you. If given the option as to where to unzip the files to, find the path to your palm/addons folder and extract directly into that folder – as this is where the hotsync operation will look automatically to add new programs.  I have no idea how your computer set this up, but mine is c:/palm/add-on.  If you extract straight to the desktop, be prepared to have several new icon (folders) added to the heap already there.  (just another of my quirks, I hate my desktop all cluttered up – lol). It really isn’t hard, once you get the hang of it. Joyce Thanks for the info.  I just have to get the file unzipped.  I figured out how to add it to my next sync with the Palm, but I don’t think I have the software needed to unzip it.  I’ll have to investigate.  It looks like a great program if I can just get it going!! Thanks again, Alicia — Alicia 311.8/247.8/200 Total Loss: 64 Joined WW 4/11/02 Have you ever worked with ZIP files?  The Palm program is ‘packaged’ in the file you downloaded   xxxxx.zip.  You need to open the ZIP file and copy the wwwcalc.prc file to the Palm ad-on directory or drag it to the installer.  A zip file is a way of packing associated separate files into one convenient package.  Inside this zip are the word format document file, another version of the doc as an html and its associated gif images You will also want the 2002 Foods database and install that, too.  You do NOT need this file, but if you use the find function, it will open and you can find food point values. OK, I downloaded this to my computer.  Now how do I get it to my Palm?  I tried just syncing but it didn’t get installed on the Palm. Thanks for your help! Alicia Maybe this will help.   darnit, now they’re gonna know I’ve been lurking again after my disappearance  :)  Oh well, wanted to try and help.

http://www.freewarepalm.com/medical/wwcalc-calculatorandjournal.shtml – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some time ago, there were programs available to do journaling and do points calculations on a palm pilot. Now that I have a palm, I would like to get these programs. Unfortunately, it seems like these programs are non-existent on the web. Does anyone know if this can be found anywhere?

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OK, I downloaded this to my computer.  Now how do I get it to my Palm?  I tried just syncing but it didn’t get installed on the Palm. Thanks for your help! Alicia – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe this will help.   darnit, now they’re gonna know I’ve been lurking again after my disappearance  :)  Oh well, wanted to try and help. http://www.freewarepalm.com/medical/wwcalc-calculatorandjournal.shtml Some time ago, there were programs available to do journaling and do points calculations on a palm pilot. Now that I have a palm, I would like to get these programs. Unfortunately, it seems like these programs are non-existent on the web. Does anyone know if this can be found anywhere?

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Thanks so much! I will definitely check it out. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe this will help.   darnit, now they’re gonna know I’ve been lurking again after my disappearance  :)  Oh well, wanted to try and help. http://www.freewarepalm.com/medical/wwcalc-calculatorandjournal.shtml Some time ago, there were programs available to do journaling and do points calculations on a palm pilot. Now that I have a palm, I would like to get these programs. Unfortunately, it seems like these programs are non-existent on the web. Does anyone know if this can be found anywhere?

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I know with the Ipaq you have to cut and paste it into the area of your home computer where you see the contents of the pda.  Not sure if the Palm works that way as well.  For me It says Mobile Device under the list of drives in "my computer."  Maybe that will take care of it for you as well. The sad thing is that I after reading your message, i did some searching and found that one for you, but there doesn’t appear to be a compatible one with mine yet.  Until you mentioned it I hadn’t even thought of using my PDA for that.  I haven’t had it that long.  It’s a good really expensive calculator and appointment book though.  lol – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks so much! I will definitely check it out. Lacroix Maybe this will help.   darnit, now they’re gonna know I’ve been lurking again after my disappearance  :)  Oh well, wanted to try and help. http://www.freewarepalm.com/medical/wwcalc-calculatorandjournal.shtml

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some time ago, there were programs available to do journaling and do points calculations on a palm pilot. Now that I have a palm, I would like to get these programs. Unfortunately, it seems like these programs are non-existent on the web. Does anyone know if this can be found anywhere?

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Have you ever worked with ZIP files?  The Palm program is ‘packaged’ in the file you downloaded   xxxxx.zip.  You need to open the ZIP file and copy the wwwcalc.prc file to the Palm ad-on directory or drag it to the installer.  A zip file is a way of packing associated separate files into one convenient package.  Inside this zip are the word format document file, another version of the doc as an html and its associated gif images You will also want the 2002 Foods database and install that, too.  You do NOT need this file, but if you use the find function, it will open and you can find food point values. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, I downloaded this to my computer.  Now how do I get it to my Palm?  I tried just syncing but it didn’t get installed on the Palm. Thanks for your help! Alicia Maybe this will help.   darnit, now they’re gonna know I’ve been lurking again after my disappearance  :)  Oh well, wanted to try and help. http://www.freewarepalm.com/medical/wwcalc-calculatorandjournal.shtml Some time ago, there were programs available to do journaling and do points calculations on a palm pilot. Now that I have a palm, I would like to get these programs. Unfortunately, it seems like these programs are non-existent on the web. Does anyone know if this can be found anywhere?

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Thanks for the info.  I just have to get the file unzipped.  I figured out how to add it to my next sync with the Palm, but I don’t think I have the software needed to unzip it.  I’ll have to investigate.  It looks like a great program if I can just get it going!! Thanks again, Alicia — Alicia 311.8/247.8/200 Total Loss: 64 Joined WW 4/11/02

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have you ever worked with ZIP files?  The Palm program is ‘packaged’ in the file you downloaded   xxxxx.zip.  You need to open the ZIP file and copy the wwwcalc.prc file to the Palm ad-on directory or drag it to the installer.  A zip file is a way of packing associated separate files into one convenient package.  Inside this zip are the word format document file, another version of the doc as an html and its associated gif images You will also want the 2002 Foods database and install that, too.  You do NOT need this file, but if you use the find function, it will open and you can find food point values. OK, I downloaded this to my computer.  Now how do I get it to my Palm?  I tried just syncing but it didn’t get installed on the Palm. Thanks for your help! Alicia Maybe this will help.   darnit, now they’re gonna know I’ve been lurking again after my disappearance  :)  Oh well, wanted to try and help. http://www.freewarepalm.com/medical/wwcalc-calculatorandjournal.shtml

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some time ago, there were programs available to do journaling and do points calculations on a palm pilot. Now that I have a palm, I would like to get these programs. Unfortunately, it seems like these programs are non-existent on the web. Does anyone know if this can be found anywhere?

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Alicia, what version of windows are you running on your computer?  Almost all later versions have a built in program for extracting files from zip files.  Go into windows explorer and find the program you downloaded (or if it’s on your desktop you can do the same from there … I think).  Right click on the zip file, this will bring up a pop up menu type box.  Read down a few options and there should be one that says something like *extract all* – highlight and click on that.  This will extract all the files within the zipped file for you. If given the option as to where to unzip the files to, find the path to your palm/addons folder and extract directly into that folder – as this is where the hotsync operation will look automatically to add new programs.  I have no idea how your computer set this up, but mine is c:/palm/add-on.  If you extract straight to the desktop, be prepared to have several new icon (folders) added to the heap already there.  (just another of my quirks, I hate my desktop all cluttered up – lol). It really isn’t hard, once you get the hang of it. Joyce – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for the info.  I just have to get the file unzipped.  I figured out how to add it to my next sync with the Palm, but I don’t think I have the software needed to unzip it.  I’ll have to investigate.  It looks like a great program if I can just get it going!! Thanks again, Alicia — Alicia 311.8/247.8/200 Total Loss: 64 Joined WW 4/11/02 Have you ever worked with ZIP files?  The Palm program is ‘packaged’ in the file you downloaded   xxxxx.zip.  You need to open the ZIP file and copy the wwwcalc.prc file to the Palm ad-on directory or drag it to the installer.  A zip file is a way of packing associated separate files into one convenient package.  Inside this zip are the word format document file, another version of the doc as an html and its associated gif images You will also want the 2002 Foods database and install that, too.  You do NOT need this file, but if you use the find function, it will open and you can find food point values. OK, I downloaded this to my computer.  Now how do I get it to my Palm?  I tried just syncing but it didn’t get installed on the Palm. Thanks for your help! Alicia Maybe this will help.   darnit, now they’re gonna know I’ve been lurking again after my disappearance  :)  Oh well, wanted to try and help. http://www.freewarepalm.com/medical/wwcalc-calculatorandjournal.shtml Some time ago, there were programs available to do journaling and do points calculations on a palm pilot. Now that I have a palm, I would like to get these programs. Unfortunately, it seems like these programs are non-existent on the web. Does anyone know if this can be found anywhere?

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Some time ago, there were programs available to do journaling and do points calculations on a palm pilot. Now that I have a palm, I would like to get these programs. Unfortunately, it seems like these programs are non-existent on the web. Does anyone know if this can be found anywhere?

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Maybe this will help.   darnit, now they’re gonna know I’ve been lurking again after my disappearance  :)  Oh well, wanted to try and help. http://www.freewarepalm.com/medical/wwcalc-calculatorandjournal.shtml – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some time ago, there were programs available to do journaling and do points calculations on a palm pilot. Now that I have a palm, I would like to get these programs. Unfortunately, it seems like these programs are non-existent on the web. Does anyone know if this can be found anywhere?

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Is that you, Robin? — Joy 285/245.6/150 Started WW At Home 1/1/02 at 285 Joined WW At Work 9/24/02 at 264.4 *New 10% Target: 26 (238.4)* – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe this will help.   darnit, now they’re gonna know I’ve been lurking again after my disappearance  :)  Oh well, wanted to try and help. http://www.freewarepalm.com/medical/wwcalc-calculatorandjournal.shtml Some time ago, there were programs available to do journaling and do points calculations on a palm pilot. Now that I have a palm, I would like to get these programs. Unfortunately, it seems like these programs are non-existent on the web. Does anyone know if this can be found anywhere?

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Hello to all of you. First I would like to wish you a happy new year ! I have just given birth to a beautiful little girl. She is one week old.  As I had put on on weight while being pregnant, I now want to lose 10 kgs . Before being pregnant, I followed the weight watchers diet and was allowed 18 points. Now I am breastfeeding my baby , I know I need more points but I don’t know how much. Does anybody know how many extra points are allowed while breastfeeding. Thanks for your answer. Nathalie from France.

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Hi, Nathalie from France. We also have a Nathalie from Belgium on the group. I’m not familiar with the WW points for breastfeeding, but perhaps someone else can answer your questions. I just wanted to say welcome to the newsgroup, congrats on the baby girl and good luck! Please take a look at our official welcome notice at: http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html — Joy 285/245.6/150 Started WW At Home 1/1/02 at 285 Joined WW At Work 9/24/02 at 264.4 *New 10% Target: 26 (238.4)*

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello to all of you. First I would like to wish you a happy new year ! I have just given birth to a beautiful little girl. She is one week old. As I had put on on weight while being pregnant, I now want to lose 10 kgs . Before being pregnant, I followed the weight watchers diet and was allowed 18 points. Now I am breastfeeding my baby , I know I need more points but I don’t know how much. Does anybody know how many extra points are allowed while breastfeeding. Thanks for your answer. Nathalie from France.

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No clue about the extra points but welcome, you will like it here, Lee

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello to all of you. First I would like to wish you a happy new year ! I have just given birth to a beautiful little girl. She is one week old. As I had put on on weight while being pregnant, I now want to lose 10 kgs . Before being pregnant, I followed the weight watchers diet and was allowed 18 points. Now I am breastfeeding my baby , I know I need more points but I don’t know how much. Does anybody know how many extra points are allowed while breastfeeding. Thanks for your answer. Nathalie from France.

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*Hello to all of you. * *First I would like to wish you a happy new year ! *I have just given birth to a beautiful little girl. She is one week old.  As *I had put on on weight while being pregnant, I now want to lose 10 kgs . *Before being pregnant, I followed the weight watchers diet and was allowed *18 points. *Now I am breastfeeding my baby , I know I need more points but I don’t know *how much. *Does anybody know how many extra points are allowed while breastfeeding. *Thanks for your answer. In the USA, breastfeeding moms get 10 points added on to their point range. So, when I showed up as a nursing mom who weighed (gasp) 191 lbs (86.8 kg) I was assigned a point range of 32-37 points instead of the 22-27 points it would have been if I were not nursing. BTW my daughter is ten weeks old and going strong. —                 "uber vaccae in quattuor partes divisum est."                     newly minted veterinarian-at-large

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I see others have answered your question, just wanted to welcome you to our group. — SuzyQ 145 highest/141 started WW / 134.2 / 130

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello to all of you. First I would like to wish you a happy new year ! I have just given birth to a beautiful little girl. She is one week old. As I had put on on weight while being pregnant, I now want to lose 10 kgs . Before being pregnant, I followed the weight watchers diet and was allowed 18 points. Now I am breastfeeding my baby , I know I need more points but I don’t know how much. Does anybody know how many extra points are allowed while breastfeeding. Thanks for your answer. Nathalie from France.

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Just a caution… You probably shouldn’t go officially OP until your baby is about 6 weeks old. The 6 weeks following the birth are a time when you are rapidly dumping fluids and frantically building milk supply. The *worst* thing you can do in that time period is to go into starvation mode. Now that doesn’t mean "eat all the sugar crap you want"… but it does mean that eating to hunger with foods that are nourishing and satisfying is just fine. You will, quite naturally, if you listen to your body for the next five weeks, lose a whole bunch of weight just because that’s what happens after the baby. If you immediately dive into WW, even at the modified level, you run the risk of making your body think it needs to hold on every gram of fat it can get, during a time when it is naturally inclined to dump weight anyway. Seems like it would be a shame to sabotage that. Now if you’re only trying to lose 10 kg… take heart. Most women lose that much without working to hard at it while breastfeeding. 6 weeks out is *plenty* soon enough to start analyzing your eating, weight, points, etc. Also, you need to evaluate your points not from what you WERE allowed, but from what your weight is now. 30 points (US) is not too much for *any* nursing mother, IMO. If you are on the UK plan, I’m not sure how the points work out there, but I think it’s similar. I gained 48 pounds while pregnant and at least 25 of it just *went* without my trying. Another 20 went easily, but with trying. 5 of it just hung on until I eventually started gaining again. And I started out quite heavy. You’ve got a lot less to lose and are starting out closer to your goal. Many nursing mothers do find that 5 pounds (a little more than 2 kg) tends to "stay" as long as they are breastfeeding. This is healthy and protective of the milk supply for many women. It took you 9 months to put your pregnancy weight on… it’s okay to take a little time letting it come off. Jenrose

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello to all of you. First I would like to wish you a happy new year ! I have just given birth to a beautiful little girl. She is one week old. As I had put on on weight while being pregnant, I now want to lose 10 kgs . Before being pregnant, I followed the weight watchers diet and was allowed 18 points. Now I am breastfeeding my baby , I know I need more points but I don’t know how much. Does anybody know how many extra points are allowed while breastfeeding. Thanks for your answer. Nathalie from France.

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I did the old Weight Watchers program when I was nursing. I found that it was too much food for me to eat. I discussed this with the leader, and we worked out a sort of sliding scale – i.e., as the baby started to nurse less and eat more solids, I gradually cut back on the amount of food I took in. The one thing I was not allowed to cut back on was dairy, because nursing moms need extra calcium. I was able to gauge when I needed to cut back by my weight losses, which would slow to a crawl when I was eating too much.

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Thanks so much, Lee

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Im not sure what is different as I didnt really look at the website in detail.  What it does have though is a database of over 20000 products all pointed, the facility to add new products and calculate points, recipe book facility, create your own recipe and point automatically, calculate bonus points for activities and add to your diary, keep daily track of points used, saved and earned/carried over, weight record, 10% goal record…. there is probably more but thats the main things! What does it have differently than the website?  Lee Hi Im based in UK and currently use the Weight Watchers programme on CD-Rom which cost me about

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    I was looking at the international table of glycemic index and glycemic load values and noticed that peanut M&Ms have a glycemic load of 6!  I’m not about to go an the "Revolutionary Peanut M&M Diet," but does this mean peanut M&Ms might be preferable to, say, a bagel?  (Yes, I know I have to be careful about the portion size.)  Or is this just some sort of anomaly?

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    I was looking at the international table of glycemic index and glycemic load values and noticed that peanut M&Ms have a glycemic load of 6! I’m not about to go an the "Revolutionary Peanut M&M Diet," but does this mean peanut M&Ms might be preferable to, say, a bagel?  (Yes, I know I have to be careful about the portion size.)  Or is this just some sort of

anomaly? Yeh…peanut M&Ms would be shilled on the lo-carb sites, except that they are readily available for cheap elsewhere. GI, extreme low-carb, and other fads  may have value for the sedentary and those forced to inactivity by extreme health issues, but really, what good is it for the (guessing) 80% of T2s who have the latitude to take action to reduce insulin resistance? I just wonder about these things and what the real agenda is? — Kosta, garden-variety T2 D&E control

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I think one needs to look at the serving size then weigh the nutritional value of each food.  My bet is that the bagel in a proper portion would be the better choice.  It is not to say you cannot eat the M&M’s.  I reserve a certain number of carbs a day for my Kudos bar.  I usually make up the difference with a high nutrition, low carb veggie.  Broccoli has become my best friend. Colleen

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It was time to forgo my Weight Watchers diet and buy a bag of Peanut M&M’s from the vending machine. To my surprise I received 25 cents extra change AND they were soooo good that I decided to return to the vending machine a couple of hours later. A bag of Peanut M&Ms hung precariously from their spot, if I were to choose that spot, with luck two bags for the price of one would drop. Indeed two bags did drop! Was this my lucky day or what?! When I got home to calculate my Weight Watchers points I discovered that each bag was worth 5 POINTS!!!!! Almost one half of my daily allotted points (27) used on Peanut M&Ms.

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Its one thing to looks a the GI index and another to really try to keep those calories low enough to loose weight…What about eating a small mini bag ? I think that may be a better choice…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -It was time to forgo my Weight Watchers diet and buy a bag of Peanut M&M’s from the vending machine. To my surprise I received 25 cents extra change AND they were soooo good that I decided to return to the vending machine a couple of hours later. A bag of Peanut M&Ms hung precariously from their spot, if I were to choose that spot, with luck two bags for the price of one would drop. Indeed two bags did drop! Was this my lucky day or what?! When I got home to calculate my Weight Watchers points I discovered that each bag was worth 5 POINTS!!!!! Almost one half of my daily allotted points (27) used on Peanut M&Ms.

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I was looking at the international table of glycemic index and glycemic load values and noticed that peanut M&Ms have a glycemic load of 6!

I haven’t heard much about glycemic load. This was an interesting comparison…. http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:hkxn0SOItkMC:www.lifelonghealth…. Wendy   Peace and Carrots Farm Vermont   http://www.homestead.com/peaceandcarrots/ http://www.heathershikinghiatus.homestead.com/

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    I was looking at the international table of glycemic index and glycemic load values and noticed that peanut M&Ms have a glycemic load of 6!  I’m not about to go an the "Revolutionary Peanut M&M Diet," but does this mean peanut M&Ms might be preferable to, say, a bagel?  (Yes, I know I have to be careful about the portion size.)  Or is this just some sort of anomaly?

 Just ask yourself, "Can a bag of sugar/chocolate coated oddly colored peanuts be good for you?"  Regardless of the glycemic load.  I don’t know about your condition, but I am better off avoiding these sorts of "foods."  –Jeremy

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But they taste GREeeeAAAAT! Especially the King Size Bag!!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    I was looking at the international table of glycemic index and glycemic load values and noticed that peanut M&Ms have a glycemic load of 6!  I’m not about to go an the "Revolutionary Peanut M&M Diet," but does this mean peanut M&Ms might be preferable to, say, a bagel?  (Yes, I know I have to be careful about the portion size.)  Or is this just some sort of anomaly?  Just ask yourself, "Can a bag of sugar/chocolate coated oddly colored peanuts be good for you?"  Regardless of the glycemic load.  I don’t know about your condition, but I am better off avoiding these sorts of "foods."  –Jeremy

– Ciao! Marshall    

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There’s a recent book: Aspartame Disease: An Ignored Epidemic. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1884243177/ Ah, yes. Sir Hsomething Roberts, Pulitzer Prize nominee http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/hjroberts.htm

I won’t bother to read it, I can already tell you, it is an effort to belittle anyone who steps outside of organized medicine, and the companies that make the stuff are all in bed together. Protect them, trash anyone who gets in our terriotiry. It is like a gang! Barf. Jan

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There’s a recent book: Aspartame Disease: An Ignored Epidemic. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1884243177/  Ah, yes. Sir Hsomething Roberts, Pulitzer Prize nominee http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/hjroberts.htm

Interesting…you mean…and document…that this champion of AltMed is a liar? He must drink Noni juice…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There’s a recent book: Aspartame Disease: An Ignored Epidemic. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1884243177/ Ah, yes. Sir Hsomething Roberts, Pulitzer Prize nominee http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/hjroberts.htm I won’t bother to read it, I can already tell you, it is an effort to belittle anyone who steps outside of organized medicine, and the companies that make the stuff are all in bed together. Protect them, trash anyone who gets in our terriotiry.

Actually, Peter shows where the not-so-good doctor lied about being a Pulitzer nominee and having been knighted. I know you do not support telling lies, and if you checked, you would be aghast!

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The claims about the awful effects of aspartame are not true, *in your opinion*

Nope. By scientific research. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This has been said by organized medicine for years,,,,,,,,,then later AFTER people have ruined health, it is found true. Jan

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Stop drinking diet drinks and drink plain water instead.  If the symptoms go away, the problem is fixed.

RIGHT ON.  I agree.  I realize that there isn’t any definitive research on anything bad that aspartame does, but when I drink it I get flashes in front of my eyes, especially on sunny days.  I realize that this is a "me" thing, but it The more "substitute" foods that the person ate, the less likely the weight loss would be permanent.  

Yup.  I think there have been head to head studies on regular soft drinks vs. diet, and people gained more weight on the diet drinks vs. regular.  Go figure!!! BL

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Stop drinking diet drinks and drink plain water instead.  If the symptoms go away, the problem is fixed. RIGHT ON.  I agree.  I realize that there isn’t any definitive research on anything bad that aspartame does, but when I drink it I get flashes in front of my eyes, especially on sunny days.

Could it be the reflection off the can? I realize that this is a "me" thing, but it The more "substitute" foods that the person ate, the less likely the weight loss would be permanent. Yup.  I think there have been head to head studies on regular soft drinks vs. diet, and people gained more weight on the diet drinks vs. regular.  Go figure!!!

I call it ‘taste deprivation syndrome’. The sugar drinks just taste better, and, when ones desire for taste goes unsatisfied, one goes to get more taste.

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| I realize that there isn’t any definitive research on | anything bad that aspartame does, Does everybody realise who makes Aspartame ? | Yup.  I think there have been head to head studies on regular soft drinks vs. | diet, and people gained more weight on the diet drinks vs. regular.  Go | figure!!! That’s because it’s hunger-inducing; the world’s finest constant revenue stream This is a fascinating read on excitotoxins and how they damage the brain: http://www.syrotech.com/medical/index.htm#issue-21-05-2002/cardiology… .htm

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There’s a recent book: Aspartame Disease: An Ignored Epidemic. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1884243177/

 Ah, yes. Sir Hsomething Roberts, Pulitzer Prize nominee http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/hjroberts.htm — Mad – Quintessence of the Loon http://www.ratbags.com/loon Bad – The Millenium Project    http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Sad – Full Canvas Jacket       http://www.ratbags.com/ranters

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The claims about the awful effects of aspartame are not true,

*in your opinion* This has been said by organized medicine for years,,,,,,,,,then later AFTER people have ruined health, it is found true. Jan

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| I realize that there isn’t any definitive research on | anything bad that aspartame does, Does everybody realise who makes Aspartame ?

Shhh, they have an *IN* with organized medicine. http://web2.iadfw.net/marystod/hardcopy.htm http://web2.iadfw.net/marystod/council.htm Jan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -| Yup.  I think there have been head to head studies on regular soft drinks vs. | diet, and people gained more weight on the diet drinks vs. regular.  Go | figure!!! That’s because it’s hunger-inducing; the world’s finest constant revenue stream This is a fascinating read on excitotoxins and how they damage the brain: http://www.syrotech.com/medical/index.htm#issue-21-05-2002/cardiology… .htm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has there been any more recent studies on aspartame??? I’ve consumed 3-4 diet drinks a day since joining weight watchers in 2001 and since then, I have had some problems. Very cold hands in rooms where people are comfortable, loss of concentration, loss of common sense, sleeping problems, and other minor things. [...] There’s a recent book: Aspartame Disease: An Ignored Epidemic. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1884243177/ http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/ remains a good WWW site on Aspartame. http://allergies.about.com/cs/aspartame/ has some links to relevant sites. Utter poppycock.

And that was said about Semmelweis, and how many people died while the debunkers were saying poppycock, simply to protect *organized medicine* and not giving one hang about the people??? The point of AGREEING with organized medicine and WE MUST BE CORRECT,,,,,,,,,has become all inportant!!! Sad. Jan

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Well, taking myself off of it will psychologically help but I guess nothing about physical improvements have been actually proven, correct?

That’s correct. But if it would help you psychologically to stop using it, why not? (just don’t start claiming that it is causing all sorts of ill health effects) — Robert Bronsing

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Has there been any more recent studies on aspartame??? I’ve consumed 3-4 diet drinks a day since joining weight watchers in 2001 and since then, I have had some problems. Very cold hands in rooms where people are comfortable, loss of concentration, loss of common sense, sleeping problems, and other minor things.

Are you on the recommended weight watchers diet, or have you modified it?  And are you taking any supplements?   And this may sound weird, but I really black out on certain roller coasters now to where I used to be able to handle them.

  Low blood pressure … not a problem unless you also black out while standing up or walking. Any suggestions?

Stop drinking diet drinks and drink plain water instead.  If the symptoms go away, the problem is fixed. The claims about the awful effects of aspartame are not true, but there is a bit of reaseach about the effect of diet drinks and other "substitute" foods on weight loss.  The more "substitute" foods that the person ate, the less likely the weight loss would be permanent.   Tsu Dho Nimh — Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you criticize him, you are a mile away from him and you have his shoes.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has there been any more recent studies on aspartame??? I’ve consumed 3-4 diet drinks a day since joining weight watchers in 2001 and since then, I have had some problems. Very cold hands in rooms where people are comfortable, loss of concentration, loss of common sense, sleeping problems, and other minor things. [...] There’s a recent book: Aspartame Disease: An Ignored Epidemic. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1884243177/ http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/ remains a good WWW site on Aspartame. http://allergies.about.com/cs/aspartame/ has some links to relevant sites.

Utter poppycock. http://www.aspartame.org/science.html

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I was drinking soda’s more when going to Diet Coke. It was like I always had to have one in my hand. Well, it may be coincidence, but I am not having an "overload of thought" that I usually have in the mornings after having 3-4 diet cokes the day before.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has there been any more recent studies on aspartame??? I’ve consumed 3-4 diet drinks a day since joining weight watchers in 2001 and since then, I have had some problems. Very cold hands in rooms where people are comfortable, loss of concentration, loss of common sense, sleeping problems, and other minor things. And this may sound weird, but I really black out on certain roller coasters now to where I used to be able to handle them. Before you started drinking diet drinks, were you drinking a comparable amount of sugar-sweetened drinks?  If not, it’s possible that you’ve upped your caffeine consumption (most soft drinks, diet or otherwise, contain caffeine) and that could be causing some of your problems.  Or it’s possible that it’s merely a coincidence.  The point is that aspartame consumption isn’t the only thing that’s changed in the last two years, so don’t automatically assume that it’s responsible.

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Has there been any more recent studies on aspartame??? I’ve consumed 3-4 diet drinks a day since joining weight watchers in 2001 and since then, I have had some problems. Very cold hands in rooms where people are comfortable, loss of concentration, loss of common sense, sleeping problems, and other minor things. [...]

There’s a recent book: Aspartame Disease: An Ignored Epidemic. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1884243177/ http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/ remains a good WWW site on Aspartame. http://allergies.about.com/cs/aspartame/ has some links to relevant sites. The most common sleeping problem from Aspartame seems to be nocturnal seizures. The psychological probems can be quite varied.  Dyslexia, brain fog, petit mal seisures, aging and general stress seem to be common. There’s a mailing list for recoverers: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartame/

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Has there been any more recent studies on aspartame??? I’ve consumed 3-4 diet drinks a day since joining weight watchers in 2001 and since then, I have had some problems. Very cold hands in rooms where people are comfortable, loss of concentration, loss of common sense, sleeping problems, and other minor things. [...]

Any truth to the stories?  No.  Put your mind at ease.  There are real, bona-fide dangers in the world, so let’s not get worked up over minutia.

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Has there been any more recent studies on aspartame??? I’ve consumed 3-4 diet drinks a day since joining weight watchers in 2001 and since then, I have had some problems. Very cold hands in rooms where people are comfortable, loss of concentration, loss of common sense, sleeping problems, and other minor things. And this may sound weird, but I really black out on certain roller coasters now to where I used to be able to handle them.

Before you started drinking diet drinks, were you drinking a comparable amount of sugar-sweetened drinks?  If not, it’s possible that you’ve upped your caffeine consumption (most soft drinks, diet or otherwise, contain caffeine) and that could be causing some of your problems.  Or it’s possible that it’s merely a coincidence.  The point is that aspartame consumption isn’t the only thing that’s changed in the last two years, so don’t automatically assume that it’s responsible.

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Sept 18 2002  Hello, This recent report certainly supports all the "anecdotal evidence"– the full text is available on the Net, with references: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/782 RTM: Smith, Terpening, Schmidt, Gums: full text: aspartame, MSG, fibromyalgia 1.17.2 rmforall Jerry D Smith, Chris M Terpening, Siegfried OF Schmidt, and John G Gums Relief of Fibromyalgia Symptoms Following Discontinuation of Dietary Excitotoxins. The Annals of Pharmacotherapy 2001; 35(6): 702

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Snack-a-jacks are a god send. I eat a lot of wafer thin ham – 30g for 1/2 point.  Rice cakes.  Cereal. Virtually fat free fromage frais.  Strawberries.  Jacobs Thai Bites.  M&S Count-on-Us crisps – most of which work out at 1 points for a sizeable — krys UK 157/122.5/126 Started March 1st 2001 GOAL August 16th 2001 "Not all who wander are lost" JRR Tolkien http://community.webshots.com/user/krystrot http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello I started following the weight watchers diet earlier this year, at the same time as my husband. I lost 14lbs, then my husband reached his target weight & stopped the diet, we also went on holiday at about the same time & I blew it big time! A few months on & I have put on all the weight I lost. I have been back on the diet this week but am finding it very hard to stick to just 18 points a day, in England we don’t get a "point range".  Has anyone got any  very low point snack ideas? Sarah Bennett currently 137lbs target  120lbs

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Ok, for those of us in the States… what are snack-a-jacks? — Joy 285/255.8/150 10% Goal 256.5 (Reached 6/11/02) LDC Goal was 246

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Snack-a-jacks are a god send. I eat a lot of wafer thin ham – 30g for 1/2 point.  Rice cakes.  Cereal. Virtually fat free fromage frais.  Strawberries.  Jacobs Thai Bites.  M&S Count-on-Us crisps – most of which work out at 1 points for a sizeable — krys UK 157/122.5/126 Started March 1st 2001 GOAL August 16th 2001 "Not all who wander are lost" JRR Tolkien http://community.webshots.com/user/krystrot http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html Hello I started following the weight watchers diet earlier this year, at the same time as my husband. I lost 14lbs, then my husband reached his target weight & stopped the diet, we also went on holiday at about the same time & I blew it big time! A few months on & I have put on all the weight I lost. I have been back on the diet this week but am finding it very hard to stick to just 18 points a day, in England we don’t get a "point range".  Has anyone got any  very low point snack ideas? Sarah Bennett currently 137lbs target  120lbs

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Miniature rice cakes, with different flavours like cheese, barbecue and caramell. Also available in Sweden, Yay! Helene – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, for those of us in the States… what are snack-a-jacks? — Joy 285/255.8/150 10% Goal 256.5 (Reached 6/11/02) LDC Goal was 246 Snack-a-jacks are a god send. I eat a lot of wafer thin ham – 30g for 1/2 point.  Rice cakes. Cereal. Virtually fat free fromage frais.  Strawberries.  Jacobs Thai Bites. M&S Count-on-Us crisps – most of which work out at 1 points for a sizeable — krys UK 157/122.5/126 Started March 1st 2001 GOAL August 16th 2001 "Not all who wander are lost" JRR Tolkien http://community.webshots.com/user/krystrot http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html Hello I started following the weight watchers diet earlier this year, at the same time as my husband. I lost 14lbs, then my husband reached his target weight & stopped the diet, we also went on holiday at about the same time & I blew it big time! A few months on & I have put on all the weight I lost. I have been back on the diet this week but am finding it very hard to stick to just 18 points a day, in England we don’t get a "point range".  Has anyone got any  very low point snack ideas? Sarah Bennett currently 137lbs target  120lbs

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Jen — I think that it is more to do with the fact that UK folks would not be able to calculate points for a lot of their food items because food companies are not required to display fiber info there.  So it would be difficult to apply our US range because UK members may end of gaining weight.

We do not calculate points using the fibre content.  Are points are about 70 cals each and are based on calories and grams of *saturated* fat. With some thought it is quite easy to stick to 18 UK points each day. My mother has been doing it for 19 weeks now. L 238/215/~155  27% gone 10% 214 LDC 215 – met 27.08.02 mini goal – 10%

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With some thought it is quite easy to stick to 18 UK points each day. My mother has been doing it for 19 weeks now. L 238/215/~155  27% gone 10% 214 LDC 215 – met 27.08.02 mini goal – 10%

Hello Occasionally I have a relatively easy day 18 point day, (usually if my husband & 3 young children are not around) but I do usually find it quite difficult to stick to 18! I’m hoping that when their school term starts again I’ll find it easier. I’ve only managed to loose 2lbs in 3 weeks but I have cheated a few times. I bought some Snack a Jacks for the first time yesterday & have found it very useful today to have a small pack open to munch on when I want something sweet. Sarah

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currently 137lbs In Canada your points range would be 18 to 23. Assuming your points are the same as our points (approx. 50 calories each) you could try eating at the higher end of the range and then gradually cutting back a point or two if you don’t see some loss in a few weeks. elaine

A point over here is about 70 cals so the high end of your range is less than the total cals for 18 points here. L 238/217.5/~155  24% gone 10% 214 LDC 215

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Might be a silly question, but why not use a point range from the US program? Seems to me that would give you the flexibility you need, and honestly, I don’t think British metabolism could possibly be *so* rigid as to not adapt to a range… And with a range, you can bank points, etc… I could NOT hit the same point value each and every day. I wouldn’t stick to it. Jen

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello I started following the weight watchers diet earlier this year, at the same time as my husband. I lost 14lbs, then my husband reached his target weight & stopped the diet, we also went on holiday at about the same time & I blew it big time! A few months on & I have put on all the weight I lost. I have been back on the diet this week but am finding it very hard to stick to just 18 points a day, in England we don’t get a "point range".  Has anyone got any  very low point snack ideas? Sarah Bennett currently 137lbs target  120lbs

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Jen — I think that it is more to do with the fact that UK folks would not be able to calculate points for a lot of their food items because food companies are not required to display fiber info there.  So it would be difficult to apply our US range because UK members may end of gaining weight. — CherylDCTX Texas USA Rejoined – January 2002 Mini-goal #9: 5 pounds 302.8/262.8/LDC:258 Want to send me e-mail? Get "the heck" outta there!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Might be a silly question, but why not use a point range from the US program? Seems to me that would give you the flexibility you need, and honestly, I don’t think British metabolism could possibly be *so* rigid as to not adapt to a range… And with a range, you can bank points, etc… I could NOT hit the same point value each and every day. I wouldn’t stick to it. Jen Hello I started following the weight watchers diet earlier this year, at the same time as my husband. I lost 14lbs, then my husband reached his target weight & stopped the diet, we also went on holiday at about the same time & I blew it big time! A few months on & I have put on all the weight I lost. I have been back on the diet this week but am finding it very hard to stick to just 18 points a day, in England we don’t get a "point range".  Has anyone got any  very low point snack ideas? Sarah Bennett currently 137lbs target  120lbs

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Thanks, Helene. We have those, too. I think they are just called mini-rice cakes here. — Joy 285/255.8/150 10% Goal 256.5 (Reached 6/11/02) LDC Goal was 246

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Miniature rice cakes, with different flavours like cheese, barbecue and caramell. Also available in Sweden, Yay! Helene Ok, for those of us in the States… what are snack-a-jacks? — Joy 285/255.8/150 10% Goal 256.5 (Reached 6/11/02) LDC Goal was 246 Snack-a-jacks are a god send. I eat a lot of wafer thin ham – 30g for 1/2 point.  Rice cakes. Cereal. Virtually fat free fromage frais.  Strawberries.  Jacobs Thai Bites. M&S Count-on-Us crisps – most of which work out at 1 points for a sizeable — krys UK 157/122.5/126 Started March 1st 2001 GOAL August 16th 2001 "Not all who wander are lost" JRR Tolkien http://community.webshots.com/user/krystrot http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html Hello I started following the weight watchers diet earlier this year, at the same time as my husband. I lost 14lbs, then my husband reached his target weight & stopped the diet, we also went on holiday at about the same time & I blew it big time! A few months on & I have put on all the weight I lost. I have been back on the diet this week but am finding it very hard to stick to just 18 points a day, in England we don’t get a "point range".  Has anyone got any  very low point snack ideas? Sarah Bennett currently 137lbs target  120lbs

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello I started following the weight watchers diet earlier this year, at the same time as my husband. I lost 14lbs, then my husband reached his target weight & stopped the diet, we also went on holiday at about the same time & I blew it big time! A few months on & I have put on all the weight I lost. I have been back on the diet this week but am finding it very hard to stick to just 18 points a day, in England we don’t get a "point range".  Has anyone got any  very low point snack ideas? Sarah Bennett currently 137lbs target  120lbs

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Sarah, My favourites are Snack-a-jacks. The small crisp-size packets are just 2points each or better are the large multi-packs because each cake (size of a rice cake) is only half a point. They come in sweet and savoury in various flavours (chocolate are the only ones that are slightly more points I think). Plain rice cakes are 1 point for 3 cakes if you don’t mind them that way. I’m not a big fan of WW own products but I do like their Choc Orange or plain choc bars at 1 and a half points each (sold at meetings). Also, yesterday at Asda I bought a packet of their mini choc chip muffins. There are 12 in a pack which cost about 97pence and each muffin is half a point. Not greatly filling but satisfy a sweet tooth. The heathy option is carrot/celery/cucumber batons, sugar snap peas (mmmmm), mange tout and cherry tomatoes. Keep them handy at all times to munch on – and they are completely point free! Oh, and drink plenty of water. I don’t envy you – currently I am on 24 points and hate the thought of losing any (although I like the idea that I will have lost a good amount of weight to be down to 18). Good luck. Keep coming back here and let us know how it is going. This is a great place to get support and encouragement. Lisa 213/204.5/10%192/140 LDC: 204

Hello Thank you for your reply. I’m quite happy nibbling on vegetable sticks etc during the day, but in the evening I prowl around the kitchen desperate for something sweet so I will try the Snack a Jacks & mini muffins, thanks! I don’t feel too hungry during the day & I eat my main meal at 8 – 8:30 pm to try & stop my sweet/choc cravings in the evening but even if I’m not particularly hungry I find I’m hunting for food. Mini mars bars are only half a point but 1 is never enough Sarah

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currently 137lbs

In Canada your points range would be 18 to 23. Assuming your points are the same as our points (approx. 50 calories each) you could try eating at the higher end of the range and then gradually cutting back a point or two if you don’t see some loss in a few weeks. elaine

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Hi Sarah, My favourites are Snack-a-jacks. The small crisp-size packets are just 2points each or better are the large multi-packs because each cake (size of a rice cake) is only half a point. They come in sweet and savoury in various flavours (chocolate are the only ones that are slightly more points I think). Plain rice cakes are 1 point for 3 cakes if you don’t mind them that way. I’m not a big fan of WW own products but I do like their Choc Orange or plain choc bars at 1 and a half points each (sold at meetings). Also, yesterday at Asda I bought a packet of their mini choc chip muffins. There are 12 in a pack which cost about 97pence and each muffin is half a point. Not greatly filling but satisfy a sweet tooth. The heathy option is carrot/celery/cucumber batons, sugar snap peas (mmmmm), mange tout and cherry tomatoes. Keep them handy at all times to munch on – and they are completely point free! Oh, and drink plenty of water. I don’t envy you – currently I am on 24 points and hate the thought of losing any (although I like the idea that I will have lost a good amount of weight to be down to 18). Good luck. Keep coming back here and let us know how it is going. This is a great place to get support and encouragement. Lisa 213/204.5/10%192/140 LDC: 204

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello I started following the weight watchers diet earlier this year, at the same time as my husband. I lost 14lbs, then my husband reached his target weight & stopped the diet, we also went on holiday at about the same time & I blew it big time! A few months on & I have put on all the weight I lost. I have been back on the diet this week but am finding it very hard to stick to just 18 points a day, in England we don’t get a "point range".  Has anyone got any  very low point snack ideas? Sarah Bennett currently 137lbs target  120lbs

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Hello I started following the weight watchers diet earlier this year, at the same time as my husband. I lost 14lbs, then my husband reached his target weight & stopped the diet, we also went on holiday at about the same time & I blew it big time! A few months on & I have put on all the weight I lost. I have been back on the diet this week but am finding it very hard to stick to just 18 points a day, in England we don’t get a "point range".  Has anyone got any  very low point snack ideas? Sarah Bennett currently 137lbs target  120lbs

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Thanks everyone for the great welcome. I’m only on day two but I’m not as hungry as I was yesterday, so that’s good, could still murder a bar of chocolate though… lol

Roz, for me my hunger just about totally stopped around day 10.  Maybe you’ll have an even better experience than that! I know what you mean about the chocolate! — – Amy ZR 163/154.5/10%: 147 http://home.attbi.com/~therorks/

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Hi Roz, of course you’re welcome  If if means anything, I never "officially" joined WW myself, but I found so much info in this ng, I haven’t had any probs following it.  I’ve been on this WOL (NOT diet, I hate that word) since January & it has most definitely worked for me  Welcome and good luck. — Lara 161/136/129 (J1C and *final* goal) 10% – met Feb. 28, 2002

: Hi, my name is Roz : I’m not on the weight watchers diet, mainly because I can’t afford to attend : the meetings, but I am on a diet – the Slim-Fast diet. Am I allowed to moan : about being hungry here and talk about cravings and weight loss along with : you all? : : Thanks :  Roz (UK) : :

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Hi delurkin mark!  I got rather sick of stinking up my condo with that bacon smell while on Atkins too.  Personally, I find this WOL far far far easier to follow.  Good luck — Lara 161/136/129 (J1C and *final* goal) 10% – met Feb. 28, 2002

: Hi Roz.I like drinking Slimfast at work in the summer when it’s too hot to eat : a regular meal.I work in a shop and no air-so in the summer it’s real hot,slim : fast is only 5 points and it’s a refreshing cool drink in the heat. : Oh hi to the group,i’m delurkin my name is mark ww about a week or two.Been : doin low carb for a few month’s and switched to ww to make it easyer on the : wife,no more smelling bacon cooking in the morning : mark : 299/278 180 :

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Hi Roz: I’m eating one of the WW 2-point "choc" bars & there’re not bad. A good replacement for a bar. Elaine K 331.4/249.0/180? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks everyone for the great welcome. I’m only on day two but I’m not as hungry as I was yesterday, so that’s good, could still murder a bar of chocolate though… lol Roz. Hi Roz, Welcome to our little corner of the www I hope you stick around and gain lots of valuable information as well as make some new friends. We are all here to support each other in a Healthier WOL (way of life). Look forward to hearing more from you Vanessa In OZ (273-195-goal160to140) | Hi, my name is Roz | I’m not on the weight watchers diet, mainly because I can’t afford to attend | the meetings, but I am on a diet – the Slim-Fast diet. Am I allowed to moan | about being hungry here and talk about cravings and weight loss along with | you all? | | Thanks |  Roz (UK) | |

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Hi, my name is Roz

I’m not on the weight watchers diet, mainly because I can’t afford to attend the meetings, but I am on a diet – the Slim-Fast diet. Am I allowed to moan about being hungry here and talk about cravings and weight loss along with you all? Thanks Roz (UK) <<      Welcome aboard Roz.  We are a kinder more gentler newsgroup and would enjoy your company here.      This newsgroups FAQ is http://geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html 4-16-02 mo  198.8/190.2/130 dad  224.0/212.8/170 positivity not negativity!

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Thanks everyone for the great welcome. I’m only on day two but I’m not as hungry as I was yesterday, so that’s good, could still murder a bar of chocolate though… lol Roz. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Roz, Welcome to our little corner of the www I hope you stick around and gain lots of valuable information as well as make some new friends. We are all here to support each other in a Healthier WOL (way of life). Look forward to hearing more from you Vanessa In OZ (273-195-goal160to140) | Hi, my name is Roz | I’m not on the weight watchers diet, mainly because I can’t afford to attend | the meetings, but I am on a diet – the Slim-Fast diet. Am I allowed to moan | about being hungry here and talk about cravings and weight loss along with | you all? | | Thanks |  Roz (UK) | |

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Hi Mari. All are welcome here and this is the group to get help and support. Several months ago, I needed it badly and got it, so I, in turn, am trying to help others. That is why this group is so good, everyone tries to help each other. Since we all fall off the program at one time or another, we do not judge others. Have fun losing and don’t starve yourself. Keep us posted on your progress. Elaine K 331.4/249.0/180? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi there. I’m new around here too. I’m not on weight watchers, as I can’t afford the meetings, etc. but I do follow alot of the "rules". I actually have a very old plan that I kind of follow. But I could really use a group that is as supportive as this group seems to be. Mari 252/242/180 Hiya Roz and welcome. There are many people here who aren’t following Weight Watchers, so of course you’re welcome here. You may also want to check out the alt.support.diet news group, which is a general group for all sorts of diets. Personally, I think this group is a bit friendlier and a bit quieter – I lurk at the other group but post here because it’s so supportive. To be honest, I don’t think I’d want to be on a diet where I’m hungry all the time. I think Slim Fast would be really hard for me to follow because I like being able to eat real food rather than meal replacements. I’m going to be eating this way for the rest of my life, and I can’t imagine living on those shakes and bars with an occasional meal. As we say though, to each his/her own and whatever works for you is great as long as it’s healthy. Feel free to jump on in with questions, comments, vents, whatever you want! Cheers, Petal — http://petalww.tripod.com/ UK (WW At Home) 187 – January/99 163 – started WW June/01 150 – this week 140ish – goal Hi, my name is Roz I’m not on the weight watchers diet, mainly because I can’t afford to attend the meetings, but I am on a diet – the Slim-Fast diet. Am I allowed to moan about being hungry here and talk about cravings and weight loss along with you all? Thanks  Roz (UK)

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Hi Roz, Welcome to our little corner of the www I hope you stick around and gain lots of valuable information as well as make some new friends. We are all here to support each other in a Healthier WOL (way of life). Look forward to hearing more from you Vanessa In OZ (273-195-goal160to140)

| Hi, my name is Roz | I’m not on the weight watchers diet, mainly because I can’t afford to attend | the meetings, but I am on a diet – the Slim-Fast diet. Am I allowed to moan | about being hungry here and talk about cravings and weight loss along with | you all? | | Thanks |  Roz (UK) | |

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Hi Mark, Blimey – they’re all coming out of the woodwork now!  Welcome to ASDWW nonetheless – and let me send you off to read our welcome notice at http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html – well worth a read. — krys UK 157/119.5/126 Started March 1st 2001 GOAL August 16th 2001 "Not all who wander are lost" JRR Tolkien http://community.webshots.com/user/krystrot

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Roz.I like drinking Slimfast at work in the summer when it’s too hot to eat a regular meal.I work in a shop and no air-so in the summer it’s real hot,slim fast is only 5 points and it’s a refreshing cool drink in the heat. Oh hi to the group,i’m delurkin my name is mark ww about a week or two.Been doin low carb for a few month’s and switched to ww to make it easyer on the wife,no more smelling bacon cooking in the morning mark 299/278 180

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Hi Mari, and welcome to you too  Let me point you at the welcome notice at http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html as well – if I haven’t already.  This group really is as supportive as it seems – you’re going to love it — krys UK 157/119.5/126 Started March 1st 2001 GOAL August 16th 2001 "Not all who wander are lost" JRR Tolkien http://community.webshots.com/user/krystrot http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi there. I’m new around here too. I’m not on weight watchers, as I can’t afford the meetings, etc. but I do follow alot of the "rules". I actually have a very old plan that I kind of follow. But I could really use a group that is as supportive as this group seems to be. Mari 252/242/180

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Hi Roz.I like drinking Slimfast at work in the summer when it’s too hot to eat a regular meal.I work in a shop and no air-so in the summer it’s real hot,slim fast is only 5 points and it’s a refreshing cool drink in the heat. Oh hi to the group,i’m delurkin my name is mark ww about a week or two.Been doin low carb for a few month’s and switched to ww to make it easyer on the wife,no more smelling bacon cooking in the morning mark 299/278 180

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Mari, Yes, of course, you’re welcome.  As others have said, there are quite a few of us here who don’t follow the WW program per se. We’re all about healthy eating, no deprivation or fad diets and a lifestyle change that includes activity. Eat less, move more.   Welcome! Best, Diane 185/151.4/148 asdww FAQ: http://www.didian.com/asdww/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi there. I’m new around here too. I’m not on weight watchers, as I can’t afford the meetings, etc. but I do follow alot of the "rules". I actually have a very old plan that I kind of follow. But I could really use a group that is as supportive as this group seems to be. Mari 252/242/180 Hiya Roz and welcome. There are many people here who aren’t following Weight Watchers, so of course you’re welcome here. You may also want to check out the alt.support.diet news group, which is a general group for all sorts of diets. Personally, I think this group is a bit friendlier and a bit quieter – I lurk at the other group but post here because it’s so supportive. To be honest, I don’t think I’d want to be on a diet where I’m hungry all the time. I think Slim Fast would be really hard for me to follow because I like being able to eat real food rather than meal replacements. I’m going to be eating this way for the rest of my life, and I can’t imagine living on those shakes and bars with an occasional meal. As we say though, to each his/her own and whatever works for you is great as long as it’s healthy. Feel free to jump on in with questions, comments, vents, whatever you want! Cheers, Petal — http://petalww.tripod.com/ UK (WW At Home) 187 – January/99 163 – started WW June/01 150 – this week 140ish – goal Hi, my name is Roz I’m not on the weight watchers diet, mainly because I can’t afford to attend the meetings, but I am on a diet – the Slim-Fast diet. Am I allowed to moan about being hungry here and talk about cravings and weight loss along with you all? Thanks  Roz (UK)

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Hi Roz, and of course you’re welcome!  IN fact, consider this your official welcome to ASDWW – the loveliest NG in the whole wide world!  We’re do nice that we have a welcome notice for newbies at http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html that you might like to check out sometime – it’s always worth a read. Many people here aren’t official WW members, so you won’t be alone. Personally, the Slim Fast diet never appealed to me – I couldn’t see how it was going to work once I’d lost the weight – was I going to have to drink shakes for the rest of my life?  WW is more about changing your way of life, so that you lose the weight, eat more healthily and maintain your new weight. But – different folks, different strokes – so let us know how you go — krys UK 157/119.5/126 Started March 1st 2001 GOAL August 16th 2001 "Not all who wander are lost" JRR Tolkien http://community.webshots.com/user/krystrot

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, my name is Roz I’m not on the weight watchers diet, mainly because I can’t afford to attend the meetings, but I am on a diet – the Slim-Fast diet. Am I allowed to moan about being hungry here and talk about cravings and weight loss along with you all? Thanks  Roz (UK)

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Hi there. I’m new around here too. I’m not on weight watchers, as I can’t afford the meetings, etc. but I do follow alot of the "rules". I actually have a very old plan that I kind of follow. But I could really use a group that is as supportive as this group seems to be. Mari 252/242/180 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hiya Roz and welcome. There are many people here who aren’t following Weight Watchers, so of course you’re welcome here. You may also want to check out the alt.support.diet news group, which is a general group for all sorts of diets. Personally, I think this group is a bit friendlier and a bit quieter – I lurk at the other group but post here because it’s so supportive. To be honest, I don’t think I’d want to be on a diet where I’m hungry all the time. I think Slim Fast would be really hard for me to follow because I like being able to eat real food rather than meal replacements. I’m going to be eating this way for the rest of my life, and I can’t imagine living on those shakes and bars with an occasional meal. As we say though, to each his/her own and whatever works for you is great as long as it’s healthy. Feel free to jump on in with questions, comments, vents, whatever you want! Cheers, Petal — http://petalww.tripod.com/ UK (WW At Home) 187 – January/99 163 – started WW June/01 150 – this week 140ish – goal Hi, my name is Roz I’m not on the weight watchers diet, mainly because I can’t afford to attend the meetings, but I am on a diet – the Slim-Fast diet. Am I allowed to moan about being hungry here and talk about cravings and weight loss along with you all? Thanks  Roz (UK)

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Hi Roz. Welcome to this lovely group. All are welcome, but it too bad you can’t be on WW as you wouldn’t have the cravings (well, at least not much) and you certainly wouldn’t be hungry. It is possible for you to join and then not go anymore? That way you could follow the plan but not have that weekly meeting fee. Elaine K 331.4/249.0/180? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, my name is Roz I’m not on the weight watchers diet, mainly because I can’t afford to attend the meetings, but I am on a diet – the Slim-Fast diet. Am I allowed to moan about being hungry here and talk about cravings and weight loss along with you all? Thanks  Roz (UK)

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Thanks everyone Roz

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, my name is Roz I’m not on the weight watchers diet, mainly because I can’t afford to attend the meetings, but I am on a diet – the Slim-Fast diet. Am I allowed to moan about being hungry here and talk about cravings and weight loss along with you all? Thanks Roz (UK) <<      Welcome aboard Roz.  We are a kinder more gentler newsgroup and would enjoy your company here.      This newsgroups FAQ is http://geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html 4-16-02 mo  198.8/190.2/130 dad  224.0/212.8/170 positivity not negativity!

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Hiya Roz and welcome. There are many people here who aren’t following Weight Watchers, so of course you’re welcome here. You may also want to check out the alt.support.diet news group, which is a general group for all sorts of diets. Personally, I think this group is a bit friendlier and a bit quieter – I lurk at the other group but post here because it’s so supportive. To be honest, I don’t think I’d want to be on a diet where I’m hungry all the time. I think Slim Fast would be really hard for me to follow because I like being able to eat real food rather than meal replacements. I’m going to be eating this way for the rest of my life, and I can’t imagine living on those shakes and bars with an occasional meal. As we say though, to each his/her own and whatever works for you is great as long as it’s healthy. Feel free to jump on in with questions, comments, vents, whatever you want! Cheers, Petal — http://petalww.tripod.com/ UK (WW At Home) 187 – January/99 163 – started WW June/01 150 – this week 140ish – goal

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Hi, my name is Roz I’m not on the weight watchers diet, mainly because I can’t afford to attend the meetings, but I am on a diet – the Slim-Fast diet. Am I allowed to moan about being hungry here and talk about cravings and weight loss along with you all? Thanks  Roz (UK)

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Hi Roz, You’re certainly welcome here, and we’re happy to hear about your weight loss, but you might find that as a whole we’re fairly resistant to quick fix diets like Slim Fast. Why not hang around and read the posts for a bit and see what you pick up? The lot of us here have probably tried everything under the sun and have found that in the end WW actually works, and it works long term. The reason? We never have to go hungry (if we do it right) and if we have cravings we can satisfy them – within reason of course . It’s not really a diet – it’s a way of changing what you eat and how you live, which is the only way to do it if you want to stay at your goal weight. Anyway, I do wish you good luck with your weight loss – I realise that WW doesn’t always suit everyone — Jo UK: 184/162/159 www.flatshandy.co.uk

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OK I didn’t see the original post so I am throwing this out there. The girl I was in the hospital with having Gamma treatments also has Polymyositis and that can elevate you wbc.  Just wondered bout that as a possibility. Cindy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Janers wrote: > BJ is right.  The elevated wbc is a sign of infection, depending on how > high it is and other test results too. > Are you running a low grade fever, have some difficulty urinating, these > could be infections. > As far as wt loss, there are many meds out there right now that help with > that.  My son who is a diabetic and on the insulin pump.  He was given a > drug and it made him poop, excuse the language LOL, well poop all the time. > Now he maybe starting the meridia that is advertised on tv a lot.  He is > under a diabetic specialist and you need to be followed quite closely > taking these meds.  Lot of side effects like high bp and others.  So they > have to monitor you.  This is a must and I even told my son that, but since > when do son’s really listen to mommy  pun….. > Of course a lot of people have luck with the weight watchers diet and it > give many options to eat.  Some kind of point system from what I > understand.  You can also buy their food at the store, if you are inclined > to pay a good amt for that food… > Exercise, yes but again sometimes the old body just don’t want to do that. > Like Sandra said many medications esp cortisone can indeed cause wt gain. > So ask your doc the right route and good luck.. > janers > Oh and yes with LOW wbc, it is common in lupus, one of the things they look > for to diagnose.  If you wbc is low in three reading it is called > leukopenia and used for criteria for a possible diagnosis of this > disease….Been there done that one..LOL

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BJ is right.  The elevated wbc is a sign of infection, depending on how high it is and other test results too. Are you running a low grade fever, have some difficulty urinating, these could be infections. As far as wt loss, there are many meds out there right now that help with that.  My son who is a diabetic and on the insulin pump.  He was given a drug and it made him poop, excuse the language LOL, well poop all the time. Now he maybe starting the meridia that is advertised on tv a lot.  He is under a diabetic specialist and you need to be followed quite closely taking these meds.  Lot of side effects like high bp and others.  So they have to monitor you.  This is a must and I even told my son that, but since when do son’s really listen to mommy  pun….. Of course a lot of people have luck with the weight watchers diet and it give many options to eat.  Some kind of point system from what I understand.  You can also buy their food at the store, if you are inclined to pay a good amt for that food… Exercise, yes but again sometimes the old body just don’t want to do that. Like Sandra said many medications esp cortisone can indeed cause wt gain. So ask your doc the right route and good luck.. janers Oh and yes with LOW wbc, it is common in lupus, one of the things they look for to diagnose.  If you wbc is low in three reading it is called leukopenia and used for criteria for a possible diagnosis of this disease….Been there done that one..LOL

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Hi Sarah, I think that they should continue to check your thyroid levels, as "normal " results can turn up even in the presence of a thyroid problem. This happened to me and now a friend of mine has developed a goitre and still has normal thyroid readings. I have autoimmune thyroid disease. I also noticed that you said your WBC is a little high. I may be wrong, but I think that usually indicates infection. My WCB is chronically low. I think that is common in lupus patients. KCat would know. Are you on Pred? Regards, BJ "Silentmovielover" <silentmovielo…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20010913221633.27871.00000384@mb-da.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi all– > Another rant.  I got my test results back and my thyroid test was negative.  In > fact, everything seemed pretty normal (well, normal for someone with lupus) > expect my WBC was a little high. > I go in to see my rheumy again next week.  What should I do about the weight > gain if it’s not my thyroid? > Thanks to all, > Sarah Baker

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Hi all– Another rant.  I got my test results back and my thyroid test was negative.  In fact, everything seemed pretty normal (well, normal for someone with lupus) expect my WBC was a little high. I go in to see my rheumy again next week.  What should I do about the weight gain if it’s not my thyroid? Thanks to all, Sarah Baker

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<<I go in to see my rheumy again next week.  What should I do about the weight gain if it’s not my thyroid? Are you on Prednisone?  That could be the source of the weight gain if you are. As for how to lose it, you might ask to consult with a dietician.  There are medications that can help too, but they’re not for everyone.  A friend of mine was very overweight and unable to really exercise since she spent most of her time in a wheelchair.  She had also been on Prednisone many years and was as diabetic which didn’t make weight loss any easier.  Her doctor put her on Meridia though with some fairly amazing results.  The last time I saw her, she had lost over 80 pounds and was looking great. Again, I don’t know that something like this would be appropriate for you. You’d have to discuss it with your doctor. Sandra

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